John 2:10

John 2:10

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Vincent's Word Studies — Vincent's Word Studies — John (BibleHub)
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Have well drunk (μεθυσθῶσι) Wyc., be filled. Tynd., be drunk. The A.V. and Tynd. are better than the Rev. when men have drunk freely. The ruler of the feast means that when the palates of the guests have become less sensitive through indulgence, an inferior quality of wine is of...
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Have well drunk (μεθυσθῶσι) Wyc., be filled. Tynd., be drunk. The A.V. and Tynd. are better than the Rev. when men have drunk freely. The ruler of the feast means that when the palates of the guests have become less sensitive through indulgence, an inferior quality of wine is offered. In every instance of its use in the New Testament the word means intoxication. The attempt of the advocates of the unfermented-wine theory to deny or weaken this sense by citing the well-watered garden (Isaiah 58:11; Jeremiah 31:12) scarcely requires comment. One might answer by quoting Plato, who uses βαπτίζεσθαι, to be baptized, for being drunk ("Symposium," 176). In the Septuagint the verb repeatedly occurs for watering (Psalm 65:9, Psalm 65:10), but always with the sense of drenching or soaking; of being drunken or surfeited with water. In Jeremiah 48:26 (Sept. 31:26), it is found in the literal sense, to be drunken. The metaphorical use of the word has passed into common slang, as when a drunken man is said to be wetted or soaked (so Plato, above). The figurative use of the word in the Septuagint has a parallel in the use of ποτίζω, to give to drink, to express the watering of ground. So Genesis 2:6, a mist watered the face of the earth, or gave it drink. Compare Genesis 13:10; Deuteronomy 11:10. A curious use of the word occurs in Homer, where he is describing the stretching of a bull's hide, which, in order to make it more elastic, is soaked (μεθύουσαν) with fat ("Iliad," xvii. 390).
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Worse (ἐλάσσω) Literally, smaller. Implying both worse and weaker. Small appears in the same sense in English, as small-beer. Hast kept (τετήρηκας) See on 1 Peter 1:4.
Geneva Study Bible — Geneva Study Bible — John (BibleHub)
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And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have {e} well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. (e) Literally, are drunken. Now this saying, to be drunken, does not always refer to being drunk in the...
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And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have {e} well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. (e) Literally, are drunken. Now this saying, to be drunken, does not always refer to being drunk in the evil sense in the Hebrew language, but sometimes signifies an abundant and plentiful use of wine, which is nonetheless a measured amount, as in Ge 43:34.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary — Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary — John (BibleHub)
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10. the good wine … until now—thus testifying, while ignorant of the source of supply, not only that it was real wine, but better than any at the feast.
Matthew Poole's Commentary — Matthew Poole's Commentary — John (BibleHub)
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The governor calls the bridegroom, (at whose cost the provision for the feast was to be provided), and minds him, that he seemed to have done contrary to the common practice of such as made feasts; for they used to bring forth their best wine first, when men’s palates were quicke...
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The governor calls the bridegroom, (at whose cost the provision for the feast was to be provided), and minds him, that he seemed to have done contrary to the common practice of such as made feasts; for they used to bring forth their best wine first, when men’s palates were quickest, and least adulterated; and worse after that they had drank well; so the word meyusywsi signifies, as appears by the Septuagint’s translation of the Hebrew word so signifying, Genesis 43:34 Haggai 1:6 ; not only men’s distempering themselves with wine, which it also sometimes signifieth; and this speaketh our translation of it, 1 Corinthians 11:21 , are drunken, something hard, the word not necessarily nor always so signifying; and they must be very uncharitable to the primitive church of Corinth, who can think that it would permit persons actually drunken to come to the Lord’s table. But the custom, it seems, was, if they had any wine worse than another, to bring it out to their guests after that the edge of their palates was a little blunted with the taste of better. Now this bridegroom, as the governor of the feast (who knew nothing of the miracle) thought, had kept his briskest and most generous wine to the last; thereby giving a great approbation of the miracle, not only owning it to be true wine, but much better than they had before at the feast.
Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges — Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges — John (BibleHub)
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10 . when men have well drunk ] Our translators have timidly shrunk from giving the full coarseness of the man’s joke: it should be when they have become drunken , when they are drunk . In Matthew 24:49 ; Acts 2:15 ; 1 Corinthians 11:21 ; 1 Thessalonians 5:7 ; Revelation 17:2 ; R...
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10 . when men have well drunk ] Our translators have timidly shrunk from giving the full coarseness of the man’s joke: it should be when they have become drunken , when they are drunk . In Matthew 24:49 ; Acts 2:15 ; 1 Corinthians 11:21 ; 1 Thessalonians 5:7 ; Revelation 17:2 ; Revelation 17:6 , we have the same word rightly translated. Tyndall and Cranmer were more courageous here; they have ‘be dronke;’ and the Vulgate has inebriati fuerint . The error comes from the Geneva Bible. Of course he does not mean that the guests around him are intoxicated: it is a jocular statement of his own experience at feasts. Omit ‘then.’ thou hast kept the good wine until now ] This was true in a sense of which he never dreamed. The True Bridegroom was there, and had indeed kept the best dispensation until the last.
Bengel's Gnomen — Bengel's Gnomen — John (BibleHub)
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John 2:10 . Λέγει , saith ) So that those who were present might hear: see the preceding verse.— τὸν καλόν , the good ) Therefore the bridegroom had set down wine, in the judgment of the governor of the feast, good enough; but Jesus gave better.— ὃταν μεθυσθῶσι ) Simply the speec...
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John 2:10 . Λέγει , saith ) So that those who were present might hear: see the preceding verse.— τὸν καλόν , the good ) Therefore the bridegroom had set down wine, in the judgment of the governor of the feast, good enough; but Jesus gave better.— ὃταν μεθυσθῶσι ) Simply the speech of the governor of the feast is repeated, as also the custom of the Jews: drunkenness is not approved of.— τετήρηκας , thou hast kept ) He speaks as one ignorant of what had taken place, John 2:9 .
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers — Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers — John (BibleHub)
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(10) When men have well drunk. —The same Greek word is used in the LXX. in Genesis 43:34 , and rendered in the Authorised version “were merry;” but its general use in the Old Testament, as in classical writers, and its invariable use in the New Testament ( Matthew 24:49 ; Acts 2:...
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(10) When men have well drunk. —The same Greek word is used in the LXX. in Genesis 43:34 , and rendered in the Authorised version “were merry;” but its general use in the Old Testament, as in classical writers, and its invariable use in the New Testament ( Matthew 24:49 ; Acts 2:15 ; 1Corinthians 11:21 ; Ephesians 5:18 ; 1Thessalonians 5:7 ; Revelation 17:6 , are the only passages) is to express the state of drunkenness. Our translators have shrunk from that rendering here, though it was before them in the “When men be dronke,” of Tyndall and Cranmer. The physical meaning of the word is to saturate with moisture, as we say, to be drenched, which is the same word as drunk. There is clearly no reference to the present feast. It is a coarse jest of the ruler’s, the sort of remark that forms part of the stock in trade of a hired manager of banquets.
Barnes' Notes on the Bible — Barnes' Notes on the Bible — John (BibleHub)
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Every man - It is customary, or it is generally done. When men have well drunk - This word does not of necessity mean that they were intoxicated, though it is usually employed in that sense. It may mean when they have drunk sufficient, or to satiety; or have drunk so much as to p...
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Every man - It is customary, or it is generally done. When men have well drunk - This word does not of necessity mean that they were intoxicated, though it is usually employed in that sense. It may mean when they have drunk sufficient, or to satiety; or have drunk so much as to produce hilarity, and to destroy the keenness of their taste, so that they could not readily distinguish the good from that which was worse. But this cannot be adduced in favor of drunkenness, even if it means to be intoxicated; for, 1. It is not said of those who were present "at that feast," but of what generally occurred. For anything that appears, at that feast all were perfectly temperate and sober. 2. It is not the saying of Jesus that is here recorded, but of the governor of the feast, who is declaring what usually occurred as a fact. 3. There is not any expression of opinion in regard to its "propriety," or in approval of it, even by that governor. 4. It does not appear that our Saviour even heard the observation. 5. Still less is there any evidence that he approved such a state of things, or that he designed that it should take place here. Further, the word translated "well drunk" cannot be shown to mean intoxication; but it may mean when they had drunk as much as they judged proper or as they desired. then the other was presented.
Barnes' Notes on the Bible — Barnes' Notes on the Bible — John (BibleHub)
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It is clear that neither our Saviour, nor the sacred writer, nor the speaker here expresses any approval of intemperance, nor is there the least evidence that anything of the kind occurred here. It is not proof that we approve of intemperance when we mention, as this man did, wha...
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It is clear that neither our Saviour, nor the sacred writer, nor the speaker here expresses any approval of intemperance, nor is there the least evidence that anything of the kind occurred here. It is not proof that we approve of intemperance when we mention, as this man did, what occurs usually among men at feasts. Is worse - Is of an inferior quality. The good wine - This shows that this had all the qualities of real wine. We should not be deceived by the phrase "good wine." We often use the phrase to denote that it is good in proportion to its strength and its power to intoxicate; but no such sense is to be attached to the word here. Pliny, Plutarch, and Horace describe wine as "good," or mention that as "the best wine," which was harmless or "innocent" - poculo vini "innocentis." The most useful wine - "utilissimum vinum" - was that which had little strength; and the most wholesome wine - "saluberrimum vinum" - was that which had not been adulterated by "the addition of anything to the 'must' or juice." Pliny expressly says that a good wine was one that was destitute of spirit (lib. iv. c. 13). It should not be assumed, therefore, that the "good wine" was "stronger" than the other: it is rather to be presumed that it was milder. The wine referred to here was doubtless such as was commonly drunk in Palestine. That was the pure juice of the grape. It was not brandied wine, nor drugged wine, nor wine compounded of various substances, such as we drink in this land.

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