2 Samuel 8:13

2 Samuel 8:13

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Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary — Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary — 2 Samuel (BibleHub)
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8:9-14 All the precious things David was master of, were dedicated things; they were designed for building the temple. The idols of gold David destroyed, 2Sa 5:21, but the vessels of gold he dedicated. Thus, in the conquest of a soul by the grace of the Son of David, what stands ...
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8:9-14 All the precious things David was master of, were dedicated things; they were designed for building the temple. The idols of gold David destroyed, 2Sa 5:21, but the vessels of gold he dedicated. Thus, in the conquest of a soul by the grace of the Son of David, what stands in opposition to God must be destroyed, every lust must be mortified and crucified, but what may glorify him must be dedicated; thus the property of it is altered. God employs his servants in various ways; some, as David, in spiritual battles; others, as Solomon, in spiritual buildings; and one prepares work for the other, that God may have the glory of all.
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers — Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers — 2 Samuel (BibleHub)
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(13) When he returned from smiting of the Syrians. —Possibly, from the similarity in the original between Syria and Edom (see 2Samuel 8:3 ; 2Samuel 8:12 ), the words “he smote Edom” have dropped out of the text, but this supposition is not necessary. The course of affairs appears...
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(13) When he returned from smiting of the Syrians. —Possibly, from the similarity in the original between Syria and Edom (see 2Samuel 8:3 ; 2Samuel 8:12 ), the words “he smote Edom” have dropped out of the text, but this supposition is not necessary. The course of affairs appears to have been as follows:—the war was originally undertaken against the Ammonites ( 2Samuel 10:1-12 ), who had obtained the aid of the Syrians. In the first campaign their combined armies were defeated ( 2Samuel 10:13-14 ), and they sought aid from every quarter, from the tribes beyond the Euphrates, on the north ( 2Samuel 10:16 ), and from the Edomites on the south. David first inflicted a crushing defeat upon the allies near Hamath, and then “returned” to the south, where he again met them in “the valley of salt”—the Arabalt south of the Dead Sea, this latter army being naturally chiefly composed of Edomites, and so called in 1Chronicles 18:12 , and in the title of Psalms 60, but here spoken of as Syrians because the whole confederacy is called by the name of its most powerful member. David himself returned from the southern campaign; but what was done by his general, Abishai, under his orders, is naturally said to have been done by him. Meantime, when this first battle, attended with the slaughter of 18,000 men, had been won by Abishai, Joab, the general-in-chief, being set free by the victories in the north, gained another battle in the same locality, killing 12,000 (Psalms 60, title).
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers — Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers — 2 Samuel (BibleHub)
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The power of Edom was now completely broken, and the whole forces of Israel were mustered under Joab to overrun their country and destroy all its male inhabitants ( 1Kings 11:15-16 ), certain of them, however, excepted ( 1Kings 11:17 ), and their descendants in after ages were re...
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The power of Edom was now completely broken, and the whole forces of Israel were mustered under Joab to overrun their country and destroy all its male inhabitants ( 1Kings 11:15-16 ), certain of them, however, excepted ( 1Kings 11:17 ), and their descendants in after ages were relentless foes of Israel. (Comp. the prophecy of Isaac, Genesis 27:40 .) In this summary of David’s reign the historian here turns from his wars and victories over other nations to the internal affairs of his kingdom. Substantially the same list of officers is again given in 2Samuel 20:23-26.
Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges — Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges — 2 Samuel (BibleHub)
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13, 14. Conquest of Edom 13 . gat him a name ] Won renown. Cp. ch. 2 Samuel 7:9 . This, and not “erected a monument,” as some render, is the right meaning. when he returned from smiting of the Syrians ] The text is certainly corrupt. Chr. reads, “And Abishai the son of Zeruiah sm...
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13, 14. Conquest of Edom 13 . gat him a name ] Won renown. Cp. ch. 2 Samuel 7:9 . This, and not “erected a monument,” as some render, is the right meaning. when he returned from smiting of the Syrians ] The text is certainly corrupt. Chr. reads, “And Abishai the son of Zeruiah smote Edom in the valley of salt, (to the number of) eighteen thousand men.” The Sept. has, “And David made a name: and as he returned he smote Edom in Gebelem [a corrupt transliteration of the words meaning valley of salt ] to the number of eighteen thousand.” Moreover the Valley of Salt was nowhere in the neighbourhood of Syria, but on the ancient border between Judah and Edom, to the S. of the Dead Sea. It was the scene of Amaziah’s victory over the Edomites ( 2 Kings 14:7 ). We must therefore either adopt the Sept. reading, or insert after Syrians the words and he smote Edom , which may easily have dropped out, as the second of two similarly ending clauses. Psalms 60 is referred to this occasion by its title; “Michtam of David. When he fought with Aram of the two rivers [Mesopotamia] and Aram of Zobah, and Joab returned and smote Edom in the Valley of Salt (to the number of) twelve thousand men.” The genuineness of this title is disputed, chiefly on the ground that the Psalm speaks of heavy disasters, of which there is no mention in the history. But we should scarcely expect defeat to be chronicled in such an extremely brief summary as the present, which records only the final results of the war.
Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges — Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges — 2 Samuel (BibleHub)
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We may conjecture that while David was occupied with his campaign against the Ammonites and Syrians, Edom seized the opportunity for invading the south of Judah, and succeeded in inflicting serious damage, until David sent back part of his forces under Joab or Abishai, and repuls...
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We may conjecture that while David was occupied with his campaign against the Ammonites and Syrians, Edom seized the opportunity for invading the south of Judah, and succeeded in inflicting serious damage, until David sent back part of his forces under Joab or Abishai, and repulsed their attack, following up his victory by the complete subjugation of Edom. We learn further from 1 Kings 11:15-16 , that the war was pursued with relentless severity, and signal vengeance taken upon the Edomites. That the successful campaign is here attributed to David, in Chr. to Abishai, in the Psalm and in 1 Kings to Joab, need cause no difficulty. David was concerned in it as king, Joab as general of the army, Abishai probably as commander of the division sent forward in advance. The variations as to the number of slain, here put at 18,000, in the Psalm at 12,000, may be due either to a textual error, or to some difference in the mode of reckoning.
Pulpit Commentary — Pulpit Commentary — 2 Samuel (BibleHub)
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Verse 13. - From smiting of the Syrians; Hebrew, of Aram. Here "Edom" is certainly right (see 1 Chronicles 18:12 ), unless we accept Keil's conjecture, and suppose that "he smote Edom" has dropped out of the text, and must be inserted. In the superscription of Psalm we find the w...
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Verse 13. - From smiting of the Syrians; Hebrew, of Aram. Here "Edom" is certainly right (see 1 Chronicles 18:12 ), unless we accept Keil's conjecture, and suppose that "he smote Edom" has dropped out of the text, and must be inserted. In the superscription of Psalm we find the wars with Aram-Naharaim (Mesopotamia) and Aram-Zobah coupled with this smiting of Edom in the valley of salt, which lay to the south of the Dead Sea, and was a fatal place to the Edomitos in their war subsequently with Amaziah ( 2 Kings 14:7 ). Such a double victory over the Arameans first, and immediately afterwards over Edom, would account for the "name," that is, the reputation, which David gained. The course of events seems to have been as follows. The Edomites, believing that David was engaged in a struggle beyond his powers with the Syrians, took the opportunity to invade Israel. But the campaign in Aram was quickly decided, and David was able to send Abishai with a detachment of his forces to repel the Edomites. On hearing of his approach, they retired before him, and, making a stand in their own territories, were defeated in the valley of salt, with the loss of eighteen thousand men ( 1 Chronicles 18:12 ). In this place the victory is ascribed to David, because it was won by his general acting under his orders.
Pulpit Commentary — Pulpit Commentary — 2 Samuel (BibleHub)
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For some unexplained reason, the feelings of the Israelites against Edom were very vindictive, and Joab followed with larger forces, and not only slew twelve thousand in a second battle ( Psalm 60 , title), but remained six months in the country, ruthlessly putting every male to ...
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For some unexplained reason, the feelings of the Israelites against Edom were very vindictive, and Joab followed with larger forces, and not only slew twelve thousand in a second battle ( Psalm 60 , title), but remained six months in the country, ruthlessly putting every male to death ( 1 Kings 11:15, 16 ). From this time the Edomites and Israelites were implacable foes, and in later Jewish literature the Jews gave vent to their intense hatred of the Roman empire by giving it the name of Edom. 2 Samuel 8:13
Barnes' Notes on the Bible — Barnes' Notes on the Bible — 2 Samuel (BibleHub)
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The Syrians - Read the Edomites, as in marginal references (compare Psalm 60:1-12 title), and as the context 2 Samuel 8:14 requires. For a further account of this war of extermination with Edom, see 1 Kings 11:15-16 . The war with Edom was of some duration, not without serious re...
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The Syrians - Read the Edomites, as in marginal references (compare Psalm 60:1-12 title), and as the context 2 Samuel 8:14 requires. For a further account of this war of extermination with Edom, see 1 Kings 11:15-16 . The war with Edom was of some duration, not without serious reverses and dangers to the Israelites ( 2 Samuel 8:2 note). The different accounts probably relate to different parts of the campaign.
Geneva Study Bible — Geneva Study Bible — 2 Samuel (BibleHub)
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And David gat him a name when he returned from smiting of the Syrians in the valley of salt, being eighteen thousand men.
Matthew Poole's Commentary — Matthew Poole's Commentary — 2 Samuel (BibleHub)
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Gat him a name, i.e. much increased his reputation. The Syrians , or Edomites , as they are said to be, 1 Chronicles 18:12 . It is likely these two people were confederates, and that divers of the Syrians whom David had defeated in Syria fled to Edom, and there joined with them a...
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Gat him a name, i.e. much increased his reputation. The Syrians , or Edomites , as they are said to be, 1 Chronicles 18:12 . It is likely these two people were confederates, and that divers of the Syrians whom David had defeated in Syria fled to Edom, and there joined with them against their common enemy, and made up together a very great army, (as the number of the men slain in it showeth,) consisting of the veteran soldiers of both countries; although the slaughter here following may seem not to have been of the Syrians, as the words at first reading seem to intimate, but of the Edomites; (it not being probable that the Syrians would come so far from their own country, as to the valley of salt, to fight;) and this verse may be read thus, and that very agreeably to the Hebrew: And David gat him a name when he returned from smiting of the Syrians, in smiting (which is easily repeated out of the last clause, according to the common usage of Scripture) in the valley of salt eighteen thousand men, who were Edomites , as is sufficiently implied here in the next verse, and expressed 1 Chronicles 18:12 . The valley of salt; a place in Edom so called, either from its neighbourhood to the Salt Sea, or for some other cause now unknown.
Matthew Poole's Commentary — Matthew Poole's Commentary — 2 Samuel (BibleHub)
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Being eighteen thousand men; as it is also 1 1 Chronicles 18:12 , where also they are said to be smitten by Abishai, because he was then a chief commander of the army under David, and, it may be, began the fight; as, for the like reason, they are said to be smitten by Joab, Psalm...
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Being eighteen thousand men; as it is also 1 1 Chronicles 18:12 , where also they are said to be smitten by Abishai, because he was then a chief commander of the army under David, and, it may be, began the fight; as, for the like reason, they are said to be smitten by Joab, Psalm 60:1 , where also there are only 12,000 mentioned; which place, if it speak of this battle, the state of it was this: Abishai begins the combat, and kills 6000; after him comes in Joab, and kills 12,000 more, which makes up this 18,000. But why may not that be another history and battle? So the Edomites and Syrians together did first fight with Abishai, and lost 18,000 men, and afterwards recruited their forces and fought with Joab, and lost other 12,000 men. Nor is it strange if two battles were fought in one place; of which there are divers instances in historians.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary — Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary — 2 Samuel (BibleHub)
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13. David gat him a name when he returned from smiting of the Syrians—Instead of Syrians, the Septuagint version reads "Edomites," which is the true reading, as is evident from 2Sa 8:14. This conquest, made by the army of David, was due to the skilful generalship and gallantry of...
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13. David gat him a name when he returned from smiting of the Syrians—Instead of Syrians, the Septuagint version reads "Edomites," which is the true reading, as is evident from 2Sa 8:14. This conquest, made by the army of David, was due to the skilful generalship and gallantry of Abishai and Joab. (1Ch 18:12; compare Ps 60:1, title.) The valley was the ravine of salt (the Ghor), adjoining the Salt Mountain, at the southwestern extremity of the Dead Sea, separating the ancient territories of Judah and Edom [Robinson].

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